ICASE
Executive Committee Meeting
Executive Committee Listserv
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September 28, 2011
These minutes
are considered a draft until approved at the
next meeting.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Patti Kem (President), Steve
Wornhoff (Treasurer-June 2012),
Tom Barth (NC-June 2012, Wendy
Hite (Secretary-June 2014), Tom
Adams (Co-Chair Governmental
Affairs Committee June 2014),
Tom Bell (C-June 2013),
Kathy Hensley (Chair
Professional Development
Committee-June 2012), Fran Wood
Osborne (President-Elect
2011-12), Dave Chastain (Chair
Fiscal Management Committee-June
2012), Paula Nichols (NW--June
2013), Lisa Waber (E–June 2013),
Melissa Lancaster (SE--June
2014), Mary Burton (NE--June
2012), Cheryl Harshman (Past
President), Angela Wannemuehler
(SW Alternate June 2012) Jane
Winkoff, (NW--June 2013), Lynn
Gosser ( IAPSS Coalition), Joan
McCormick (Co-Chair Governmental
Affairs Committee June 2014),
ABSENT:
Denise
Bashore (Deputy Treasurer),
Bill Dreibelbis (Chair
Membership Committee--June
2012),
Saundra Lange (SW--June
2012)
OTHERS PRESENT:
Luann Purcell, CASE Executive
Director, Nicole Norvell IDOE,
John Hill IDOE
I.
APPROVALS
A. Minutes:
Patti Kem called the
meeting to order and asked for a
motion to approve the August 2,
2011 minutes. MOTION:
Joan McCormick moved to
approve the August 2, 2011
minutes as presented. After a
second by Paula Nichols, the
motion was unanimously approved.
One correction was made in
that the IRS mileage rate is
55.5 cents per mile, not the 52
cents as stated.
B. Treasurer’s Report and Claim
Docket – Steve Wornhoff
presented the ICASE Statement of
Cash as of 8-31-11 showing a
balance of $272,888.91. The
docket of expenses for August
was listed. Roundtable balances
haven't changed since last
month.
The ICASE statement of
cash includes income from
registration for the Fall 2011
conference but bills haven't
been paid yet.
A copy of the 2010-11
budget report and the 2011-12
ICASE budget will be available
at the ICASE business meeting
for everyone to view.
This is the second year
that ICASE has had a nice
profit. The cost of conferences
hasn't been lowered immediately
because three years ago ICASE
lost revenue. The registration
fee was adjusted for this
conference for members who had
more than one attendee from the
same cooperative. We budgeted
very conservatively.
Joan McCormick stressed
that attendance may be down in
the next year because of the
financial climate.
Attendees have been
concerned that conferences have
been heavily focused on IDOE
presentations, but this is
currently a primary vehicle to
obtain information.
Tom Adams suggested Luann
Purcell talk with Patti Kem and
Steve Wornhoff regarding the
various fee structures.
The tax form has been
completed and submitted to the
IRS. This is our year to do an
informal audit. Steve Wornhoff
talked to Dave Chastain, and he
is arranging for someone to
review the records with him.
This will occur during
the Fall ICASE conference.
MOTION: Tom Barth
moved to approve the
docket of expenses as presented.
After a second by Cheryl
Harshman, the motion was
unanimously approved.
Patti Kem received an email from
Courtney Cabrera from IDOE. She
is inviting ICASE to be
participants in a discussion
about teacher evaluations for
special education teachers.
Margie Labelle, Pam
Wright, and Liza Bates are
interested in participating in
this. Oct. 6th at 12:00 pm is
the potential date to meet at
IDOE.
Let Patti know if you
want another person involved.
Angie Balsley from Bremen is
involved in the statewide pilot,
and she is interested.
II.
IDOE REPORT – Nicole
Norvell
Indiana IEP---The Indiana
Department of Education thought
they were being transparent and
prepared in how they were
addressing issues, but Nicole
Norvell stated that it is clear
they haven't been. Every Friday
Anne Davis, Nicole Norvell and
representatives from the IT
dept. meet with PCG. They bring
a list of all the messages
they've received on the message
board that week to discern what
the issues are. They are trying
to discern if it's a user error
or a system error. When they see
system errors, they identify
what is the highest priority and
give to the programmers to work
on the problem.
PCG notifies Nicole about
the errors, she approves, then
it goes to their programmers to
adjust. Sometimes what IDOE
thought was a priority is
different than what the teachers
think is a priority.
For messages sent to the
message board they want the
district administrators to
answer the questions first and
then disseminate that
information to teachers. The
teachers can blame Nicole for
the long response time because
they want the district
administrator questions
addressed first. In one week
they had 6500 messages, so they
had to devise a way to
prioritize the questions. Nicole
met with PCG this week so
district administrators can have
the ability to deactivate events
in documents.
The old system identified
a mechanism for an event to go
away.
There was not a system of
checks and balances that was
occurring.
IDOE needs to insure they
are monitoring what is being
deleted.
PCG is more sophisticated
in that they can generate a
report as to what has been
deleted and by whom. In IIEP
it's not ever gone, but the
district administrators can see
it. The teacher and other users
can't see it. IDOE didn't want
to put districts in the position
of vulnerability where teachers
were deleting events. The only
documentation that legal affairs
would have would be what events
were in the system. However, if
the school had other supporting
evidence, they would consider
that in their determination.
Nicole would like
directors to devise whatever
system they are going to have at
the local level to determine
what events are going to be
deleted and how to control that
documentation.
Some districts have given
district administrator rights to
IT people. Nicole wanted to make
sure we thought through those
decisions due to the
responsibilities and user rights
involved with the different
levels of access. There is not a
way to delineate who can delete
events among the district
administrators.
District administrators
will have the ability to delete
events in a few weeks.
If local districts aren't
compliant, IDOE is also not
compliant. IDOE wants us to be
compliant.
Nicole has met with Jill
Slavin from IPS since they have
the largest number of users and
students.
The first step was the
survey to get a handle of what
the issues were.
Tom Bell recommended a
cross section of users across
the state to form a committee to
work through these issues.
Wendy Hite asked where
Matt Johnson, Jolly Piersall,
and
Alisa Stovall were at
with this project since they are
very knowledgeable in IEP
requirements.
Nicole stated that they
are involved in these meetings
every Friday too. It is okay to
email Matt Johnson, Jolly
Piersall, and Alisa Stovall to
get your questions answered.
Anne Davis and Nicole
Norvell read the comments on the
Learning Connection every day.
They are not going to address
these questions individually
because once they do, then they
will have to address all of the
questions.
Patti Kem asked for the proper
mechanism to communicate with
individuals since the Learning
Connection forum has a large
volume of questions that it gets
overwhelming. Kathy Hensley
stressed the importance of
notifying people that IDOE will
not respond to their questions
on Learning Connection since
this has been the historical
practice with LC.
Kathy Hensley asked if
there is any idea of when they
will be receiving responses from
the message board. Nicole
discusses this with PCG every
Friday, and it is difficult to
get a handle on this because
some people get responses
quickly and others don't get a
response for weeks.
Jane Winkoff asked if we
could receive notification when
bugs are worked out so we can
notify our staff.
Nicole stated that one
difficulty is that there are
multiple places to gather
information.
They are working on
developing a mechanism so people
know where to go to get
information.
IDOE wasn't prepared
enough in the beginning because
they were crossing lots of lines
in this project with IT, Real
Time, etc.
Paula Nichols discussed
the difficulties with the
cooperative structure because
there are 6 different RT people
to deal with. Directors have to
deal with so many different
areas.
Being a member of all the
different Learning Connection
communities is overwhelming
because there are so many to
monitor.
IDOE is working on this
problem.
Having a linear reminder
from Anne Davis of what
directors have to do is
extremely helpful. Examples:
time and effort, grant reports,
etc. Tom Bell stressed that this
committee needs to happen sooner
than later.
Getting names to Nicole
would be helpful.
Having someone from each
roundtable would be helpful as
there would be 7
representatives.
Nicole stated that IDOE has
moved to lots of vendors
performing job functions.
Sometimes you get to
choose which vendor does the job
and sometimes you don't.
Patti Kem stressed that
our local STN people are very
confused as well.
It was never explained to
the group why IIEP was connected
to Real Time.
The reason the connection
was made was because in the old
system when a student moved, you
could go in and grab the IEP's.
Nicole stated when they started
to devise the system, legal
affairs stated that this was a
huge FERPA violation. You could
not in good faith devise this
system to be like the old.
The reason for the connection to
Real Time was that when the
student moved, the STN person
goes into claim the person.
Thus, there is a legitimate
purpose for transferring the
student.
It is connected to Real
Time because of FERPA. The IDOE
was remiss in communicating this
information to stakeholders.
Real Time is submitted on
Wednesdays, but it can be
submitted more than once.
There is lots of
misunderstanding regarding this.
Karla Carr is the STN person at
IDOE.
Mary Burton said there
are so many people's hands in
the pot.
When a teacher does
something incorrectly, it may be
the third person down the line
that did or didn't do something
for the error to occur. All of
these groups in the state do not
understand the urgency and
immediacy of this concern with
time lines for IEP's.
The various departments
are not communicating with one
another. Nicole stated that the
IEP program cannot be taken out
of the Learning Connection. This
was a decision that was made
above the IDOE Special Ed
Department.
The STN department was
very involved in this process
from the beginning.
When the system began,
they had to get the students to
land somewhere.
The easiest way to do
that was to take where they had
been in ISTART7 and match that
to the last Real Time submission
in June of 2011.
Part of the problem with
the non-public school students
is that the IEP needs to land in
the school. You have to claim
them on RT in order to land in
your site. They are not counting
against you for AYP, etc.
That mechanism is in
place in RT.
What about the voucher
students?
Nicole doesn't know about
this situation yet.
Tom Bell asked if there
are any time lines for these
solutions? Communication is the
biggest issue.
Right now we are all
hanging out there.
We don't have past
records, etc.
When will some of this be
fixed?
We need to hear some
answers on the plan and vision.
Nicole will communicate
this information (regarding
RT/STN, preschoolers, non pubs,
etc.) to the superintendent's
list serve.
If there are pieces that
are not compliant with Article 7
in IIEP, notify Nicole Norvell.
Cheryl Harshman stated if
she could outline each component
for us that there are issues on
and the status of that piece it
would be extremely helpful.
There is no intention
from IDOE to pull data from the
school for Dec. 1 count.
They will harvest the
data for the April 1 count and
compare to the DOE-SE.
They will always have to
have another system for
reporting because IDOE doesn't
mandate that IIEP be used.
The biggest Indicator to focus
on is Indicator 13.
They don't do the data
pull until the end of the school
year for Indicator 13.
That indicator is about
the content of what has been
written, not simply the
compliance time lines.
The DOE-EV and the DOE-TR
will still be reported the same
way as in the past for the
present time.
90 Minute Reading Block--The
IEP trumps the 90 minute block.
IDOE wants us to be thoughtful
about case conference decisions.
If the student can be
involved in the general
education classroom for the 90
minute block that is preferred.
If they need pulled out
of that service, then provide
what the child needs. There is a
big lag time from when IEP's
were written and when the 90
minute block was implemented.
The 90 minute special
education instruction has
affected LRE if you are saying
that the student will be getting
special ed instruction for 90
minutes outside of the general
education
classroom.
The I-READ document had
errors in it, which is what led
to much confusion regarding
service delivery.
It is also about what you
are defining direct service and
direct instruction is.
We all define services
differently across the state.
The document has been
pulled down from the IDOE
website. When the IDOE puts out
FAQ's, it is because they've
received several questions
surrounding many issues.
This is not official
guidance.
The intention for 3rd
graders was that being in
special education doesn't save
you from retention.
Are these students
getting the other intended
interventions that other
students are getting?
We don't want our numbers
to increase simply to avoid
retention decisions.
Jane Winkoff asked when
the new document will be
disseminated. Nicole didn’t know
when it would be available.
We have to be practical
when consideration of pulling
students during the 90 minute
block for services, evaluations,
etc.
The retention discussion
needs to be documented in IEP's.
Fran Wood Osborne
stressed the importance of
superintendents also receiving
this information
Nicole stated she would
request that information be sent
to SAMS and PAMS as well.
Joan McCormick suggested
doing some presentations at ISBA
and IAPSS regarding some of
these areas as a joint venture
with ICASE and IDOE.
Nicole said if there is
something on the Friday update
that would be good for
superintendents and principals
to know, email her about getting
that information to them.
Tom Barth stated that the
crux of the confusion among
issues revolve around
communication with stakeholders.
To Do:
Get Patti Kem a name from
your roundtable for this
committee by Friday.
Parent Surveys---
John Hill emailed West Ed
yesterday regarding a status
update.
The intent is that the
results be disseminated in the
spring.
Last year's survey data
will be posted on the new IDOE
web page when it goes live in a
couple of weeks.
ICASE would like to be
represented regarding discussion
with the different types of
diplomas, the waivers, etc.
This issue is on Dr.
Bennett's radar.
Joan McCormick asked if
there is any relationship
regarding students who have
taken IMAST and then if they
have passed the end of course
assessments?
There isn't a great deal
of data on that yet since IMAST
hasn't been around long enough.
Indicator 13--OSEP
has posted notification that
Indiana is at Meets Requirements
for the first time in many
years. OSEP has put out a
requirement that if you are not
at 95% for Indicator 13, you
cannot be at Meets Requirements.
There are 36 data points
to check on each IEP.
Meeting Indicator 13 is
focused on outcomes, and not on
paper compliance.
For the present time,
that is the requirement.
Last year there were 120
districts who did not meet
compliance.
West Ed wasn't the vendor
this year. Teresa Grossi's group
from the Indiana Resource Center
did the evaluation. Of those 120
that were pulled, only 2 were
correct. They want to get as
many districts the opportunity
to correct as possible.
Nov. 9th is the deadline
for this.
They did another data
pull and 216 districts were out
of compliance. They will be
notified on Monday, Oct. 3 if
they are out of compliance.
Meets Requirements
doesn't mean that you didn't
have a finding.
In 2008 OSEP issued a
letter to all states that
indicated what states have to do
to correct noncompliance.
There are 2 prongs of
correction.
Prong 1 is that anytime
you have an individual case, you
have to correct it.
Prong 2 of correction
states that Indiana has to go in
and insure that the systemic
issue that lead to the
noncompliance is corrected.
For all indicators, IDOE
has to verify both prongs of
correction.
OSEP will be in Indiana
in 2013 for the on site review.
There are common errors that
will be shared with directors.
They are working on a
statewide plan to address
technical assistance in
transition.
Maintenance of Effort
Requirements--If
an LEA doesn't make MOE, they
have to use state/local funds to
pay back OSEP.
Luann Purcell stated that
NASDSE, CEC, and CASE are all
looking at this.
CASE partnered with AASA
to do a survey regarding MOE.
It comes up every time
IDEA is reauthorized.
We don’t want to make a
hasty decision regarding MOE.
There was a letter to
Bill East that stated if you
missed MOE that you had to
re-pay it, but then the bar
re-sets at the lower amount.
Until OSEP retracts that
guidance, that is what we have.
There are advocacy groups
that have written very scathing
letters regarding this.
Theoretically you could miss MOE
for 10 years and then have
nothing for special education.
Where you are seeing it
right now is where states have
made significant changes where
benefits are being paid to
teachers. CASE is looking at
expansions to the exceptions.
You are not changing the
programming, FAPE is still being
met, it's just a matter of the
way funding is being done.
Charters have the same
MOE requirements.
III.
EXECUTIVE STANDING
COMMITTEE REPORTS
A.
Governmental Affairs –
Tom Adams and Joan McCormick
Co-Chairpersons
2011-2014, (RT Members,
President-elect, Past President)
1.
Governmental Affairs
Committee Information Collection
and Decision-making Process.
They met with Dennis Brooks and
had a productive meeting.
The short session this
year will be very short, very
focused. We may want to compile
some committees to discuss the
legislative fall out. Example,
retention of 3rd graders, etc.
Joan stressed that it is
important to acknowledge that
ICASE and IDOE are working
together as partners.
There is an Autism Commission
and there are state
representatives and senators who
participate on it. It was very
clear that the legislators were
very confused as to what was
done in the last legislative
session and the impact on
students with disabilities.
It was reported that one
of the legislators simply
proposed outlawing autism. Anne
Davis and Nicole Norvell spent a
great deal of time explaining
autism to them. They also
reviewed charter schools and
non-public school involvement
with students with disabilities
with the Autism Commission
members.
The charter schools
aren't monitored to the levels
that other public schools are.
Every time a child from a
charter or non-public schools
returns to the public school,
that needs to be documented.
After ADM count is a key
time when students return back
to the public schools, as well
as December 1 count.
Data will speak volumes
to our legislators IF we have
that data.
2.
Communication with and on
behalf of the Membership,
Roundtable Representatives, and
Executive Committee--No report
3.
Process for Development
of Future Platforms--No report
B. Membership Committee Report- No report
C. Fiscal Management
Committee Report- No report
D.
Professional Development
Committee Report – Kathy
Hensley
Fall 2011 Conference--One
breakout session was added to
address questions with
legislative issues.
Anne Davis and Nicole
Norvell will be present as well
as Will Krebs.
Spring 2012 Conference--No
report
IV.
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
REPORTS
A.
President’s Appointments
– Patti Kem
1.
Licensing Focus Group –
No report
2.
IASP/ISHA Best
Practices Task Force – No report
V.
SUPPORTING the MEMBERSHIP
– Patti Kem
A.
Identifying and
Addressing Membership Needs
IAPSS Coalition of Organizations
– Lynn Gosser--No report
B.
Improving/Facilitating
Communication
1.Roundtable Topical Proposals –
No report.
2.Roundtable Reports
Central--Tom Bell had to leave
before the report.
East--Lisa Waber stated they
will meet tomorrow for the first
time.
NE-- Mary Burton requested $500
for roundtable funds for
refreshments at roundtable
meetings for the 2011-12 school
year.
MOTION: Cheryl
Harshman made the motion to
approve $500 for the NE
roundtable to use for
refreshments for their meetings.
Kathy Hensley provided a second.
The motion was
unanimously approved.
SW--Angela said they will meet
tomorrow for the first time.
Fran Osborne stated that John
Helfen from Gibson Pike Warrick
retired in June 2010 and asked
about the process for honorary
members when they retire.
When directors retire, as
long as they've been a member
for the last 5 years they are
made an honorary member.
ICASE executive committee
votes to award honorary
membership.
MOTION:
Fran Wood Osborne made the
motion to grant honorary
membership to John Helfen.
Mary Burton provided a
second. The motion was
unanimously approved.
SE--Melissa Lancaster stated
they have met once and will meet
tomorrow.
NW--Paula Nichols said their
first meeting is tomorrow.
NC--Tom Barth--IIEP was
discussed.
VI.
PROMOTING/ADVANCING
the ORGANIZATION
A.
Examining Organizational
Structure
1. Revision of Strategic Plan –
No report
B.
Strengthening National
Connections
1. CASE Membership/Executive
Committee Updates –
Luann Purcell provided a
brief update on CASE.
The national conference
is in Williamsburg in November.
CASE Webinar information
was presented.
The first 2 webinars have
to do with the CASE leadership
series. Lucky 21 #4 (RTI) will
be mailed to you on Friday.
Lucky 21 #5 (discipline) will be
mailed in January.
Luann suggested at state
conferences, a drawing can be
held to pay for someone to
attend a CASE national
conference CASE has 3
conferences a year.
The conference in January
will allow you to participate
virtually. CASE is partnering
with the University of Central
Florida, and Alexa Posny will
also be there. It will be in
Orlando.
You can obtain CASE membership
online. Joan McCormick asked if
there are states that do
multiple memberships? There are
several states that are part of
the umbrella organization where
they join the big organization,
CEC, CASE, GCASE, and GALE, etc.
There are 7 states that have an
executive director paid
position.
C.
Promoting State
Partnerships – Patti Kem
1.
Liaisons - Members
Designated by the President
a. ASK----No
report
2. Appointees – Selected
by Other Organizations
a. DOE/OELD
Advisory Board--No report
b.
State Advisory
Council--No report
VII.
OTHER BUSINESS
MOTION:
A motion to adjourn was
made by Cheryl Harshman.
Kathy Hensley provided
the second. The motion was
unanimously approved.
VIII.
NEXT MEETING:
October 13,
2011, Hamilton Boone Madison
10:00 a.m.
